Palm Doesn't View Windows CE 4.0 as a Threat
In an interview with ComputerWorld, Michael Mace, Palm's chief competitive officer, said he doesn't see the upcoming release of of the next version of the PocketPC OS as much of a threat.
"This sounds like an incremental release of their product, and it's a lot of stuff you can do today in a Palm handheld," he said. "We already have support for 802.xx, and our OS is so simple, our developers don't need a wizard."
The next version of the PPC OS, code-named Merlin, has increased support for the wireless standard 802.11b and a platform wizard to make it easier for developers to write for different devices. This is necessary as applications written for one company's PPC handhelds have to be recompiled in order to run on another company's.
WinCE 4.0 should be available by the end of the year but Microsoft is notorious for missing its release dates.
Thanks to Jonathan Ng for the tip. -Ed
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I think they are saying that PPC4 may include a MSFT-made
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Palm had exactly the same OM model till now. They where hardware and OS producer ,competing with the OM's machines.
Not really uncommon thought.
Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
Talisker is too far in the future to worry about, agreed. But Pocket PC 2002 is what *Palm* **2001** should have been: multimedia rich on kick-ass SA chips. As great as the CLIE is, its video capabilities pale when put up against an iPaq. And with HP, Compaq, Casio, and now Toshiba and NEC coming out with SA-based PPCs running PPC 2002, Palm is going to be looking for landfills to accept many of their more-expensive units.
Integrating BeOS into PalmOS is going to take time. If Palm survives until that time, it will be astonishing. If they manage to save their business, it will be a miracle. Perhaps by addressing strictly the lower-end of the market, they can survive. But that's hardly the market they have wanted to be in.
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and the PocketPC trolls keep coming...
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
What I did find to the iPaq's benefit is that it no longer has that performance lag when doing tasks compared to a Palm-based device. I did find the Windows Explorer-based interface a bit cumbersome, though.
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
gMovie-ing off the Memory Stick is slow, and doesn't have enough fps without hacks. TealMovie doesn't support sound.
iPAQs have a bigger screen (though the Clie has better resolution) and more storage.
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
When there is PocketPC vs. Palm war, why people ALWAYS compares Video & Sound. They are not important! I don't buy PDA for listening to music or watching a videos. I buy it because I want to do something usefull with it ex. writing documents or keep up my meetings and todo list etc.
It doesn't matter is my PDA Palm or PocketPC it matters that there are right programs on my PDA.
Today my PDA is palm but I am seriously thinking to buy PocketPC because of the color screen! But I have to wait until PocketPC has all apps that I need and maybe then there are good colorscreen palm then...how knows
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
As for music and video not being important -- that's not important to YOU. Don't try to squeeze everyone else in the world into your limited perspective.
I have never said that either Palm or PPC should vanquish the other. In fact, I root for Palm to survive, if only to keep the entire market out of the hands of that semi-autistic sociopath, Gates, and his band of merry thieves.
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
Putting a blind eyes on competitor doesn't make it disappear. The future is wireless internet on PDA for application as heavy as streaming video. PIM is an old trick, heck a $20 Royal can do that too. GO to Walmart and you would be surprise what this $20 bucks disposable Royal can do in basic PIM area.
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My point is, sooner or later somebody will come up with super cheap low end model in the range of sub $40 that will have function approaching basic palm model.
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
it's more of Audio and Video API to provide capability anywhere from video conferences and business presentation all the way to rich gaming environment.
And no, "why would anybody want that" is not the answer.
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
Happy now? I am registered. I didn't point my reply to your comment...and maybe my english is not so good that I understand every word. But enough this. Let's focus on main business.
>As for music and video not being important -- that's >not important to YOU. Don't try to squeeze everyone >else in the world into your limited perspective.
No, I don't try to squeeze anything, but video and music are IMHO most important things! First I'd like to see good displays and wireless capacibility. Palm had lot to do on this area and if they are focusing on music and video first they are IMHO going to wrong way
RE: Forget CE 4, it's PPC 2002 that should scare Palm!
[Actually, I'm a die-hard Palm user who put this up to piss off all the hyper-sensitive idiots who continually whine about "trolls" everytime someone dares to mention a Pocket PC on these message boards, let alone admit that Pocket PC has some compelling features of it's own. I don't use a Pocket PC, but I can see why someone might, and I think it's a pathetic argument to complain about how "difficult" the UI is. It's not that hard; it's simply different--there are actually some very useful things about it. As I say, I prefer Palm, but I refuse to turn it into some stupid flame war. Perhaps some of you should make the same refusal.]
Say what!
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(OK, I admit I am being harsh and very unfair. I'm sure that Mace is a very smart guy and actually *knows* everything all of us are saying. For all we know, the poor guy could be having many sleepness nights because he *does* see the threat, where others above him at Palm do not. He is paid to express the Official Palm Point of View. But that does not mean *he* believes it or agrees with it.)
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So we've been putting off buying a new PDA because of the new devices in the pipeline, leaving a hole in the market for PPC, just like in the states. The difference in Europe is that even when the new PalmOS devices (m505, Clie) start shipping in the USA, we don't get them here yet. So in fact the "hole in the market" is lengthened, leaving more space for PPC to squeeze into.
RE: Source?
Could you tell me where you got these figures? The latest I've seen have Palm outselling Compaq in Europe, if by a narrow margin:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2155
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All the top pda's that everybody is screaming about simply aren't available here (the Netherlands). Same complaints coming from the other side of the North Sea.
Sony? We still only have the PEG S300.
Handspring? Never seen one in a shop. Available through mail order, though.
HandEra? Never seen one. Perhaps available through mail order, I don't know. Not on www.pdashop.nl
Basically, the only Palm powered machines that are widely available are Palm machines, and they are expensive. Make that very expensive.
This leaves the door wide open for pcc's. No wonder iPaqs are selling like crazy over here. The m505 hasn't changed that. To be honest: I have never seen one outside of a shop window.
Do you really think MSFT is telling Mace what they have
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Talk about a revolution!
:P
RE: Talk about a revolution!
Red delicious/Washington Green
The #1 thing I've always disliked about PPCs, (and I don't particularly dislike them) is that I have to work awfully hard to turn off the running applications.
I can't imagine a world without green or red apples. We want both, right? They both are goods eats, but they're a little different. One is sweeter, one is more tangy....
One plays good vids and music, and great MS Office,
one has 11,480 software titles currently available for download.
I'm not out to flame a soul, 'cause let's face it, what purpose does it serve? I think that we'll keep our Palms and our PPCs, our XBoxes and our Playstations, our Nissans and our Fords. I think there's room for everyone. Why would they vanish? I mean really? Think about it. Why not both.
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