CircuitCity.com Discounts Palm TX, E2 and Z22

In what may be a sign of new Palm PDAs around the corner or just an attempt to clear out excess inventory, CircuitCity.com has the Palm TX and E2 handhelds on sale as web-only specials through January 27th 2007.

The Palm TX, featuring wi-fi, Bluetooth, 128mb of RAM, and a 320x480 screen is $224.99 after a $75 mail-in rebate.

The Palm Tungsten E2, in its rebranded "Bonus Pak" version, is $149.99 after a $50 mail-in rebate. The Circuit City-exclusive E2 Bonus Pak version offers a brown leather carrying case and Astraware's Sudoku game on CD, making this bundle quite a decent value for the money. The Palm E2's standard features include Bluetooth wireless, a 320x320 color screen, and 32mb of RAM.

Finally, Palm's entry-level Z22 handheld, offering a 160x160 DSTN color screen and 32mb of RAM, is $74.99 after a $25 mail-in rebate. This unit is commonly available from a variety of e-tailers for <$100 prices, so this offer is not as appealing as the two higher-end Palm devices.

While these offers are not valid in Circuit City's brick and mortar retail stores, www.circuitcity.com does offer free shipping on these items. Based on my past experiences, Circuit City also has a fairly strong extended warranty, which might not be a bad idea given the issues some users have experienced with recent Palm products.

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Great!

VampireLestat @ 1/15/2007 2:24:26 PM # Q
Let's hope new Palms are on the way! :-)

RE: Great!
LiveFaith @ 1/15/2007 2:27:17 PM # Q
Will this be the end? Is the dreaded day of "no more tradional Palm PDAs" upon us? This could be. How long can retailers really move antiquated gadgets anyway?

Palm could just upgrade all three this way and keep the same price points:

T|X2 - Keep the dog tired form factor. Change color to dark gunmetal grey. Bump the proc to 416 or 512. Heck, 512 & 624 PXAs outta be on the auction block after the last 24 months, so they might save a buck. Update the software & OS version. Wake up and allow OS to handle 8-16GB SD cards. Put back the built-in mic and VR for God's sake!!! All this could have been done without much R&D. Without much R&D seems to fit the biz model these days anyway. Sell it for $299 or more with mkting gimmix.

E3 - Gut the cell radio outta the 750v/680. Change the color scheme. Sell it for $199 or more with sales gimmicks.

Z33 - Get copyright clearance from Pat Horne's Z33. Then take the E3 and remove the BT & SD. Then slap 1GB of flash in for MP3s sell it in four colors, plus camo, pink, and even a Hello Kitty version, all for $99. Market as "MP3 for Responsible Mommies". Sell in VacPaks at BestBuy, CC, K-mart, Gum Machines & PEZ dispensers.

Pat Horne

RE: Great!
Rhauer @ 1/15/2007 3:04:39 PM # Q
I couldn't agree more. There is plenty they could do to upgrade these products without alot of R&D. They could even add a few twists with out alot of work. How about a slide out keyboard for those that want to type. G2 is the pits. I can live with the ancient OS but at least give us some new and improved hardware. Please keep the PDA alive.



RE: Great!
cypher76 @ 1/15/2007 3:17:26 PM # Q
I doubt we'll see any updates to Palm's traditional PDA lineup anytime soon. Palm has been reactionary for a long time; the best devices Palm made were back when Sony was their competitor. Palm's only real 'competition' in traditional PDA's (in the retail market) is HP, and using CircuitCity.com as an example, the most recent models from both Palm and HP are from October 2005. I am curious to know how both companies' current models are selling, though.

I imagine an E3 model (Treo 680 without a cell radio, maybe WiFi swapped in its place?) would make sense, since there are no thumbboard PDA's in Palm's PDA lineup anymore. Any kind of updated model would make sense, if for no other reason, to get rid of the 'palmOne' logo that's still on the E2.

Also, I think Hello Kitty has a little more class than appearing on such a low-end Palm :-P

RE: Great!
hkklife @ 1/15/2007 3:24:45 PM # Q
Here's how to keep the current line going for another year+ with hardly any R&D expenditure:


1. Z33--Add headphone jack, SD slot, and SDHC driver. Bundle it with Pocket Tunes and push it heavily as a portable media device. Keeping the price at $100 or below is key. I mean, a Z33 + an 8gb SDHC card could be had for ~$150ish and offer much more functionality than any flash-based mp3 player with not that much more of a tradeoff in size or battery life. Maybe Palm could improve the screen quality slightly but not if it raises the price too much. Again, keeping this thing as an impulse sub-$100 price is critical.


2. E3--Give it 64mb RAM, BT 1.2, and update the OS/bundled apps. This is still a fine PDA for business types wanting to do basic PIM stuff with a bit of multimedia. Maybe drop the price to $150-$175 permanently. Palm could easily throw in a T5-style 256mb internal flash volume + DriveMode and market this thing as a USB thumbdrive replacement for executives/students on the go.

3. TX2--Give it an internal mic and a charge LED (both can be done by changing the design of the top panel of the device. Adding 1 to 4gb of internal flash would be fantastic, especially if done in conjunction with an SDHC driver. Such a TX2 could finally put the LifeDrive out to pasture in the process. Palm needs to give this one a very solid software bundle--maybe PTunes Deluxe or a reskinned CorePlayer or so. Push it HARD as a movie-playing PMP (shown in landscape mode) with superb PIM features and/or or as VOIP solution (see some of the software recommended at www.talestuff.com for what can be done with a current TX + external mic). A larger internal battery is a must as well. The $299 price is fine if the unit is well built and has a solid feature set. Finally, Palm needs to add CDMA Bluetooth DUN connectivity as well to please those POS users who desire the big screen/RAM/wi-fi that a Treo cannot offer.

Slide out keyboards, OLED screens, 802.11g, 5megapixel cameras etc etc. are all unrealistic, unnecessary requests. Remember, we're hoping that Palm keeps PDAs in production--to expect Clie-style bells'n whistles out of Palm is asking far, far too much. (Peronally, I just want a solid POS handheld like #3 mentioned above). These things are still, essentially, retail-oriented consumer-level PDAs. Palm has the <$200 PDA market wrapped up entirely to themselves now, so abandoning it completely to keep flogging the dying Treo horse would be incredibly short-sighted.

P.S. Pat, you ask "how long can retailers really move antiquated gadgets anyway?" Well, last I checked, there are still things like Franklin talking dictionaries and Sharp Wizards and Royal digital diaries on store shelves. If people are willing to pay $50 for a piece of junk like that then of course you'll find people who will buy a Z22/Z33 for $100ish!

Also, just look at healthcare & related fields: PDAs of all ages,shapes, sizes and styles are de rigeur for most people in the profession. I think various HIPAA rules state that these have to store their data internally (ie on a non-removable flash card) and cannot send/receive certain types of data wirelessly etc.

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RE: Great!
palmato @ 1/15/2007 4:55:53 PM # Q
I would trade the charge led for a vibrating alarm, like the TŠ1. And keep the T|X black, please...

There's still a chance Palm will not drop traditional PDA's this year, but most likely they will not have any groundbreaking feature. Let's hope the third business brings something innovative.

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RE: Great!
LiveFaith @ 1/15/2007 5:57:38 PM # Q
HKK,

Z33 buyers don't know what SD memory is. Better to have 1GB on board (hand) that 4GB in the slot (bush).

The thoughts would go something like this: "Look at this Palm. It plays MP3s just like the iPod Nano, but all the organizer and Palm goodies for the same price. Wow! Yeah, but it says here on the box that you have buy an add-on SD memory card to make it work. Hmmm. What's memory? What's SD, shark dung? Where's that at in Wal-Mart? Pocket Tunes? Do I have to add that on too? This is all so foreign. Will I get the right kind? FrankenGarnet 5.499? Forget it, that's to complicated. I wonder if the 2GB or 4GB Nano would be best? After all, Apple invented the MP3 player. Black or white? Oh, look at the time. I'd better get down to the precinct and vote in the congressional election. ...



Pat Horne

RE: Great!
hkklife @ 1/15/2007 8:14:14 PM # Q
Pat;

You just used the words "hand" and "bush" in the same sentence. You'd better don your asbestos suit b/c here on PIC that's sure to get the heated discussion going for at least a day or two.

I'd LOVE to see some numbers on the % of cell phones & expandable flash MP3 players (like the Sandisk Sansa) where the customer has actually purchaed a storage card. I'd imagine it to be very, very low.

You do bring up a good point about the Z33 and potential customer confusion. Palm's at least on the right track and should continue renaming apps on the standard launcher. They've already gotten "VersaMail" as "E-Mail", "Blazer" as "Web", so now put "PocketTunes" as "Media" or "Music" etc.


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RE: Great!
LiveFaith @ 1/15/2007 9:00:05 PM # Q
... and you thot Palm couldn't innovate! Watch out Stevie boy and company! We'll rename the rest of em' while buying put options on APPL if you come out with an iPhone. Better bak awf!

YaKnow, I thot of that bit of verbal confusion when I wrote it, but cast it off as being gutter minded.

Pat Horne

RE: Great!
halcyon @ 1/15/2007 9:24:54 PM # Q
So if a TX2 has a properly placed mic and speaker what is stopping it from being used as a VOIP or SKYPE phone? I would think that would be a great selling point. I would buy it for this even though I own a Treo.

RE: Great!
hkklife @ 1/16/2007 9:51:45 AM # Q
There's nothing to stop the TX2 from being used as a VOIP platform. Heck, the current TX/LifeDrive make pretty decent albeit bulky & unwieldy VOIP platforms.

And the mere existence of a new wi-fi Palm with internal mic could be a fairly effective threat/tool for Palm to wield and try to squeeze better terms out of the carriers. And if things don't go so well for Palm, then they can always try to respin said PDA into a PIM/PMP/VOIP handset and sell it at retail with a big bundle of bundled software to do all of the above....or partner up with Linksys, Netgear etc. and offer some kind of rebate on a Palm VOIP phone if you buy a new draft-N router etc.

Apple & the iPhone may have started a trend where the hardware manufacturers try to squeeze the cellcos for better terms/money/feature implementation. Of course, if helps to have compelling hardware ala Apple....something Palm hasn't EVER had with the Treo line.



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Canada

Jonathan_2k1 @ 1/15/2007 3:04:14 PM # Q
While we're on the topic of discounts, Staples on their Canadian website (staples.ca) has the T|X without wireless keyboard for $299 CAD (I've only seen the wireless keyboard bundle for $399 elsewhere). They also have the T|E2 with TomTom GPS for $199 CAD.
RE: Canada
hkklife @ 1/15/2007 3:43:50 PM # Q
Strange...

http://www.palm.com/us/products/index.html

lists an "E2 GPS" next to the regular E2. But the link just leads to the standard E2 handheld page and nowhere else on Palm's USA site mentions an E2 GPS. It's been like this for at least two months now, btw.



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RE: Canada
LiveFaith @ 1/15/2007 9:08:14 PM # Q
Probably means you'll need a GPS to find one soon.

Pat Horne
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Not really new news

Timothy Rapson @ 1/15/2007 3:11:33 PM # Q
These prices were available at Christmas. They were around for last fall's school sales. If we've seen these prices before without new handhelds in the wings we may just be seeing them again with no new product in sight.
A new version of the TX that worked with FITALY, included $200 in commercial software, and had a 5 MP camera might get $200 out of my wallet.
It would be nice to have a good old fashioned Palm March new product rollout. Remember those! The Palm V, the M130, M515 with color screen. Heady day those were.

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New Palm definately on the way

nexus6 @ 1/15/2007 4:31:46 PM # Q
Yup, this action might not be in direct connection with a new model, but there definately will be a new traditionla PDA model. It will replace both TX and LifeDrive, so I'd expect TX form factor, 2 or 4 GB of flash memory and finally the built in mic with voice recorder will be back. This model will be introducet this spring.

In the autumn we can expect an update to the other models in the lineup (eg. E3 or Z33). But there is no authentic information abou it...

RE: New Palm definately on the way
hkklife @ 1/15/2007 4:51:59 PM # Q
Nexus6;

Do you have a source? Source of a rumor? Anything whatsoever or is this just your personal speculation?

Several outlets (Brighthand, Gadgets on the Go, that Spanish Palm fan users' etc) indicated back in spring-summer '06 that a TX2 with 4gb of flash was on the way...and our very own Frank Wilkinson posted in the PIC forums that he was told by someone at Palm tech support (!?!) a few months ago that a new TX was coming in early '07.



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RE: New Palm definately on the way
just_little_me @ 1/15/2007 4:56:04 PM # Q
Right...

Sounds oh so credible... where do I send my money?


JLM.

RE: New Palm definately on the way
drw @ 1/15/2007 6:43:36 PM # Q
Up till the point I bought my Tungsten C I was used to spending $499 for something new at least once/year. Since nothing credible has come along to replace the T|C, I've saved about $1500-$2000 by not having to upgrade.

I agree with the comment further up about taking a treo, remove the cell radio and put a 400 mhz processor, wifi, bluetooth, + latest docs-to-go in it.

I can't tell you the number of times I'm on the phone while doing something with the pda. Bluetooth headsets are not my bag so I want to keep my cell phone and pda separate. Why is this so difficult for the people in california to understand?



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David

RE: New Palm definately on the way
nexus6 @ 1/15/2007 7:43:34 PM # Q
Yep, I have a source. But I can't be any specific. But I can tell you another thing. There will be a Palm OS equivalent to the Treo 750v - means a hi-end GSM Palm OS Treo, possibly with UMTS... I suppose we'll have to wait for this one till the autumn.

I know you guys have no reason to beleive me. Only time will tell..

RE: New Palm definitely on the way
hkklife @ 1/15/2007 8:11:20 PM # Q
There's a rather small but vocal group of people that want a spec'd out Treo 90-style device....that is, a keyboard but no cellular radio.

Then you have people like me who want a TX pretty much as is (320*480, no keyboard) but with a cellular radio.

Palm should at LEAST do one or the other to appease some of the PDA faithful.

My experiences with Bluetooth headsets have been, especially on Treos, mixed at best.

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RE: New Palm definately on the way
LiveFaith @ 1/15/2007 9:11:26 PM # Q
I think that some + reviews would roll out if the next T|X had a 1/2 inch thick LifeDrive form factor. I remember the excellent case being one of the + LD points. Throw in TCPMP, a 500+ horsepower proc, a mic, an LED, a VR, , the 1.3mpx cam, 128MB RAM, SDHC drivers, and proper memory architecture. They could have a winner at the $300-400 point.

... another point that I can't put aside. Palm has been inching it's way from OS5 Garnet to the latest 5.4.9 FrankenGarnet OS. They did not just spend million$ to get back partial rights to the OS for nothing. They are working on something for Palm OS. All I can imagine is they are feverishly at work trying to bring ole' frank into line with new wireless standards, namely HSPDA, BT2, WiFi(G). I don't even think you have to be visionary to see that. All that and more is just to get caught up with the competition. Some kind of device is in mind for their $XX million Palm OS buyback. Will 5.5 be a major uppie? Will they rename it? Will they call it OS Cobalt, Copeland, or Cadillac?

Pat Horne

RE: New Palm definately on the way
SeldomVisitor @ 1/16/2007 5:54:57 AM # Q
> ...They did not just spend million$ to get back partial rights
> to the OS for nothing...

By buying PalmOS PALm theoretically saved money on licensing, so that by itself would have been sufficient reason to buy it (see the Q207 earnings call transcript on, say, seekingalpha).

Note - I haven't read any prior licensing agreement between PALM and PalmSource/Access but it's possible there was something in there about PalmSource having to do something which perhaps Access didn't want to do anymore (like something more than trivial "support"). that would be the reason for Access to say "Okay, no licensing anymore - you go with it alone for a lump sum instead". But that's pure unthought-out early-morning conjecture for why Access would have wanted this deal.


RE: New Palm definately on the way
SeldomVisitor @ 1/16/2007 6:12:43 AM # Q
> ...I know you guys have no reason to believe me...

True.

Conjecture
freakout @ 1/16/2007 7:28:50 AM # Q
But that's pure unthought-out early-morning conjecture for why Access would have wanted this deal.

Maybe Palm just threatened to walk out altogether. Maybe they pointed to the WinMob Treos and said "Well, we don't really need PalmOS anymore" and Access blinked and gave them the deal they wanted.

Maybe maybe maybe...

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Final Death Throes of the PDA

Gekko @ 1/15/2007 6:47:07 PM # Q
RE: Final Death Throes of the PDA
uuhh @ 1/16/2007 2:31:56 AM # Q
exactly

RE: Final Death Throes of the PDA
specterss @ 1/16/2007 5:38:52 PM # Q
______P1______
______PP______
IIIxx/Vx\VIIxx
m1xx|m5xx|m705
z1xx\z2xx/z7xx
______TT______
______T2______
______T3______
______E1______
______TC______
______E2______
______LD______
______TX______

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RE: It is (not) written...
Gekko @ 1/15/2007 7:24:54 PM # Q

incoherent ramblings. change the name of your blog to "Diary of a Madman".



RE: It is (not) written...
mikecane @ 1/15/2007 9:23:25 PM # Q
Did you wash before going there? Or did you just leave behind your usual stench?

RE: It is (not) written...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/16/2007 6:10:31 AM # Q
I think "Diary of a Fanboy" is more correct that that, Gekko.

Fanboys don't "get it" and may never get it.

The true significant value of PostIt Notes and BIC has yet to be realized.


RE: It is (not) written...
mikecane @ 1/16/2007 8:22:29 AM # Q
Right. And the ultimate line of your post displays your dimness. Next!

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Time is running out

Lisi @ 1/15/2007 7:46:46 PM # Q
Palm brought all of this on themselves.

When it had rivals (Handspring, Sony [especially Sony!!] et al) they updated their product with acceptable regularity. But since it absorbed its rivals and Sony dropped out of the market, Palm has merely rested on its laurels. Hey, it's the only Palm PDA around so why should it innovate? Where's the incentive?

Now it has one. The iPhone - something truly unique but of zero use as a PDA *except* as an incentive. For most people who never owned a PDA or knew what they could do, the iPhone looks like a fantastic device. It can make calls, play music, has a calendar (not at all like a Palm's but who knew?).

Palm will cease to exist for those who haven't already experienced their strong points when the iPhone comes out in June. The Treo, as fantastic as many think it is, will cease to be competitive. As a rabid Palm OS fan, I was enthralled with the iPhone. AND I KNOW WHAT A PDA/PHONE CAN DO!

C'mon, Palm, time is running out...

RE: Time is running out
Gekko @ 1/15/2007 8:09:51 PM # Q

"It's too late for Palm."



RE: Time is running out
VampireLestat @ 1/15/2007 10:43:53 PM # Q
Palm has not even peaked yet. The best is yet to come.

I will say it again, it is absolutely 100% impossible that the mobile computing industry will experience anything other than sustained or explosive growth forever; yes, forever because computers will be relentless in integrating into our lives and improving information technology.

Ever wonder why we have not seen a serious recession in a long time? Computing has added amazing efficiency and incredible economic resiliency to any country that embrasses information technology. Mobile computing will further that IT revolution by bringing the best possible efficiency to individuals and the personal information that they value.

Palm is an innovator in an industry that is critical to future wealth, they have the knowledge to develop new products and they have products that sell well. So how is Palm finished? Nonsense.

I am looking forward to new handhelds in the spring (with or without cellular and/or any other radio technology - wifi being a minimum).

RE: Time is running out
Gekko @ 1/16/2007 10:32:14 AM # Q

silly canadian fanboy

http://tinyurl.com/ynx6hh


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BRING COBALT BACK !!!

uuhh @ 1/16/2007 2:30:19 AM # Q
The only way to save PALM is COBALT
THIS LINUX CRAP GOES WRONG
STOP COPING APPLE

RE: BRING COBALT BACK !!!
pmjoe @ 1/16/2007 7:52:07 AM # Q
They either need to get going with Cobalt or switch to Linux, or find some other third party alternative (maybe they should offer Apple a huge deal for the iPhone's OS, then again, that'd be a waste of time Apple would never take it). Palm OS 5 was always a go-between OS and was never meant to be dragged along like this. It's like Palm was Apple and they decided Mac OS 9 was good enough. At this point, they don't have any licensees anyhow, they may as well switch to Cobalt. Not like they'll suddenly piss their non-existant licensees off.

If there are some new Palm PDAs coming out, I wonder which features they'll swap in/out this time, since FrankenGarnet 5.idon'tcareanymore can't handle them all.

I really don't think I do care anymore. I'd love to get a new PDA, but watching Palm dig their own grave for the past 4 years has gotten tiresome. IHMO, they're the poster-child of prioritizing pennies on the share over long-term viability of a company.

RE: BRING COBALT BACK !!!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/16/2007 8:13:01 AM # Q
Docomo just released Yet Another Phone:

-- http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9htfMM80KxFVCEBMC_QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZyBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=12cmaf1vc/EXP=1169039804/**http%3a//news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070116/wr_nm/docomo_ds_dc_2

I wonder if it is Linux-powered? (I believe they released like =9= phones from a variety of manufacturers).

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