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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2005 the Palm OS Year in ReviewPosted By: Ryan on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:54:41 PM
A few new Palm OS devices debuted early in the year. The often delayed Fossil FX2008 wristwatch PDA came to market. Garmin released the iQue 3600a, a GPS handheld designed for aviation, and the Qool QDA-700 became available in some European and Asian markets.
In GSPDA news, the company brought the M68 smartphone to Europe. The company also announced they would bring out a Palm OS Cobalt smartphone by the end of 2005. A claim which was again restated during PalmSource's developer conference in May, however to date no manufacturer has announced a Cobalt device and none will likely ever. Eight months after exiting the US and European PDA markets, Sony put the rumors to rest and officially announced there would be no more Clie handhelds in Japan or anywhere else.
March
Also in the beginning of the March a pair of mystery Treo's surfaced. These images were the first sign of the impending
April In a strange twist of fate, a company debuted a Palm OS emulator for Microsoft Pocket PC's. Dubbed StyleTap, the new product allows most applications originally written for Palm OS handhelds to run on Windows Mobile-based PDAs.
Just a day before the PalmSource developer conference got underway, PalmSource CEO David Nagel resigned his position. Senior VP Patrick McVeigh stepped up as interim CEO, while the company has yet to name a permanent replacement. The PalmSource DevCon was a very well attended event as the company showed its first glimpses of Palm OS for Linux. Even a Palm OS Cobalt phone was being shown. palmOne announced at the conference that they had renewed their Palm OS license through 2009. But the big news was that the company worked out a licensing deal with PalmSource to reacquire the rights to use the Palm brand and name.
Summer
The summer also saw Tapwave shutting down. The company discontinued their Zodiac handheld business failing to ever grab a significant slice of the portable gaming market amid strong competition from Nintendo and Sony. Jeff Hawkins made some news when he began to drop hints about his next big invention in development. Hawkins began talking about Palm's secret third business involving the next major generation of mobile computing. August also saw a big return to the Windows Mobile Treo rumors. A video of it in action was posted, Palm's CFO told the media that "CIOs don't get fired for using Microsoft products" and we learned that HTC would be manufacturing the device. What was years ago totally unthinkable started to appear almost certain. In Palm OS device news, the GSPDA Xplore M98 smartphone began shipping. Intel also announced their next generation XScale chips code-named "Monahans". A pre-production Monahans chip running at 1.25 GHz was demonstrated palying back a HD quality video on a PDA.
October Later that month, PiTech announced they had developed a 3 megapixel Palm OS smartphone. The GSM smartphone features an auto-focus camera, a quad band wireless radio with EDGE data support and a QVGA display and Bluetooth. It is expected to launch in Europe and Asia in the second quarter of 2006.
We also learned for the first time that Palm has a number of new Treos in the works. An investment company released a report detailing that Palm was working on new models including a new high end design code-named Hollywood and a possible entry level Treo model code-named Lowrider. Novemember was also the month that saw ACCESS completing their acquisition of PalmSource. PalmSource is now a wholly owned subsidiary of ACCESS and is no longer a publicly traded company. PalmInfocenter also debuted a new Palm OS software store this month. The improved store brings big discounts on Palm applications and also features a mobile store where users can download and buy software on their devices wirelessly.
December 2005 was definitely a major milestone year in the Palm OS timeline. Treo smartphones really began to take off, a lot of innovative devices were released and many surprises and transitions within the Palm economy took shape. Thanks to everyone for making 2005 a year to remember here on PIC and here's to an even better 2006.
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PenguinPowered @ 1/11/2006 12:56:30 AM #
Er, but I'm not allowed to talk about it.
We'll just have to wait for Skippy to finally find out and blab.
Don't be a hater, Marty.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2006 1:56:33 AM #
PalmSource helped put food on your table for a year. Enough with the backstabbing, already.
It's time for you to let go and "move on", Marty. And if you ever need to vent, or need a shounder to cry on, remember: nobody here cares about you. The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823 RE: But Wait, There's More!PenguinPowered @ 1/11/2006 2:51:48 AM #
skippy, skippy, skippy, just when i thought you were learning.
I never said that what i couldn't say was bad news. only that you don't know it yet.
RE: But Wait, There's More!
It's not a secret anymore. Eleven devices running Cobalt will be released by the end of 2005. Most people know that already.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: But Wait, There's More!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2006 2:50:20 PM #
I never said that what i couldn't say was bad news.
only that you don't know it yet. Stay off the drugs, Marty. It's not a secret anymore. Eleven devices running Cobalt will be released by the end of 2005. Most people know that already. Actually, they were referring to the end of 2005 in the JULIAN CALENDAR. Technically speaking, this means they still have until January 13, 2006 (Gregorian calendar date) before you can call them a bunch of sleazy, lying dirtbags. I have faith that we'll see at least one Cobalt device released before this weekend. Pat: Why have you forsaken Palm? Sinner! TVoR The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823 RE: But Wait, There's More!
Chinese New Year is January 29. The have lots of time still.
It might not be the "mythical color HandEra", but I'm liking my TX anyway. RE: But Wait, There's More!
>Pat: Why have you forsaken Palm? Sinner!
I'm standing strong until the end. Just waiting to see if Spring will bring anything worthy to upgrade my Pilot 1000 to. Et tu, Pat?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/12/2006 12:55:15 AM #
Just waiting to see if Spring will bring anything worthy to upgrade my Pilot 1000 to.
I hear you can trade Palm your Pilot 1000 and they'll send you three LifeDrives in return. I'm waiting for them to sweeten the deal by only sending me two LifeDrives in return for my old Pilot 1000...
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EPalm EPat, lama sabachthani?
Mt 27:46 Too late?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/12/2006 11:37:06 PM #
It may be too late. Pat has now fallen under the spell of Beelzebub Gates.
Methinks it's time for an "intervention" on Pat's behalf. We CAN and MUST save this lost lamb. The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2006 1:50:49 AM #
And no, I don't mean Marty Fouts getting "outed" here at Palminfocenter.
;-O Do you really not know what's happened, or are you just trying to be nice? Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.
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I didn't think you'd want Ryan reminding everybody about how Lefty slapped you around, but hey, I guess for you, any attention is better than none?
Do you dream of electric sheep, Skippy?
RE: Ryan, you left out the BIGGEST PalmSource story of all...
Ryan;
Good summary outling '05. I had forgotten about the near-vapor releases of some of the Europe & Asia only smartphones. Now I'd REALLY like to see the Voice's '06 predictions article and the long-awaited VZ90 review/overview. I myself am going to contribute some material to PIC (per the sentiment of the past few days to make our last stand here) with a couple of game reviews in the works at the moment. I also am working on a review of the Palm GPS Navigator kit and, eventualy, a T5/TX case review. Initial impressions are quite positive of the GPS kit even if it basiclaly is just a repackaging of other firms' components in a Palm-branded box. Oh a "tell all" article from an ex-PalmSourcer would be lovely gossip but that's probably too volatile for "official" PIC content...not to mention a sure fire bet to get someone into legal hot water. I guess we'll just have to wait for the other shoe to drop through the grapevine, huh? I have to say that the dialogue here on PIC over the past two weeks has been some of the most entertaining and informative/insightful speculation we've had in a long time. I'm actually enjoying the "stir" the 700w has created even if I have zero interest in the actual product itself. RE: Ryan, you left out the BIGGEST PalmSource story of all...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/12/2006 12:29:45 AM #
Now I'd REALLY like to see the Voice's '06 predictions article
Sorry - no can do. That would be illegal! ;-O
VZ90. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. VZ90 + TCPMP + Wi-Fi connection = the ultimate combination media player/Internet tablet/PDA. Review will come. Soon. I'm also planning to finish up the reviews of a few apps. TVoR ;-O TVoR The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823
ackmondual @ 1/11/2006 12:00:01 PM #
It could've been much worse for Palm all things considered
"Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error, but that error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." -Grand Admiral Thrawn the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71 --> Tungsten T3 (with 4 of 6 screws still remaining) ~?~> zodiac 2?
Foo Fighter @ 1/11/2006 1:15:58 PM #
We're saved! At last we can finally install Cobalt on our handhelds, and it's compabile with all Palm OS hardware...
http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2006/01/cobalt_10.html
AWESOME!!! I knew the Cobalt upgrade would be released!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/11/2006 3:16:52 PM #
To all the doubters (I'm looking at YOU, Pat Horne) who never believed we would see Cobalt released, all I want to say is... IN YOUR FACE!!!
We now we have it available for FREE and running. Suckers! TVoR
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Ha! You're the sucka! That's not even the real Cobalt. It's a hoax!!!
The real Cobalt screensaver has never repeating pattern of vapor which begins at the bottom and randomly dissapates as it ascends toward the top. Fools!
"A Cobalt in every pot"The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/12/2006 12:43:47 AM #
Lies! Cobat is REAL, I tell you! REAL!
And why are you using the words "Cobalt" and "Vapor" in the same sentence? I'm tempted to tell Dianne Hackborn on you and have her administer a biotchslapping like you'll NEVER believe! Cobalt is REAL.
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That's not REAL Cobalt. That's just a renamed Chevy Cavalier.
------------------------ Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted. ------------------------ The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823 RE: Cobalt is here at last!!
http://tinyurl.com/8hj34
But Voice, how can an OS that never technically "lived" be face down in its grave? Not to be Dr. O style pedantic (HAH!) here but isn't it more....stillborn than "dead"? I wonder when Access is going to remove EVERY trace/hint of Cobalt from their website...just kind of magically "wash" it out of existence. I figure it'll be kinda/sorta how Palm tries to pretend that Graffiti 1 never existed.
RE: Cobalt is here at last!!PenguinPowered @ 1/13/2006 3:23:46 AM #
Cobalt Lives!
Er, wait, no, that was Frodo. Anyway, PalmOS on Linux is Cobalt, but running on a Linux kernel. Think of it as Robert De Niro with Peter Boyle's heart. Where's Boris Karloff when you need him?
You guys are just being "pedantical"The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/13/2006 4:04:24 AM #
But Voice, how can an OS that never technically "lived" be face down in its grave? Not to be Dr. O style pedantic (HAH!) here but isn't it more....stillborn than "dead"?
Ummmmm... wrong. Cobalt lived in that slow, buggy piece of **** Oswin smartphone for two glorious days at PalmSource's DevCon last year before being (mercifully) put out of its misery and getting flushed down the toilet (along with any remaining shreds of PalmSource's credibility). Anyway, PalmOS on Linux is Cobalt, but running on a Linux kernel. Think of it as Robert De Niro with Peter Boyle's heart. Where's Boris Karloff when you need him? PalmLinux = FrankenPalmOS™: I can't wait to hear the excuses start flying over why PalmLinux won't show up (groundhog-style) in 2006. TVoR
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I don't know if it's been mentioned here yet (haven't read the thread!) but "Cobalt" has been a SUN Microsystems product for years, e.g.:
-- http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Cobalt/Cobalt.html I once sent a note off to PalmSource asking about the conflict of THEIR "Cobalt" OS with Sun's...they never replied...giggle. RE: Cobalt is here at last!!
Voice/anyone else;
Thanks for the clarification. Did anyone here actually see/use in PERSON at DevCon that slow, buggy Oswin phone before PalmSource pedanticized it out of its misery? I thought FrankenGarnet was bad enough...the smorgasbord of code bits outlined in the post above is enough to make my head hurt...and I'm not a developer//programmer/codemonkey!
RE: Cobalt is here at last!!
hkklife wrote:
Did anyone here actually see/use in PERSON at DevCon that slow, buggy Oswin phone I did, of course. I only fiddled with the built-in PIM apps for a few minutes so I can't say I did anything that really put it through its paces. But, FWIW, in the 15 minutes I used it I didn't find it slow or buggy. I have heard from other developers who bought them that performance wasn't great, but it was difficult to tell whether that was inherent to the OS or due to beta drivers or what have you. I never heard reports about it being "buggy" but I didn't exactly take a poll. From what little I know about how Cobalt was written I would expect some performance penalty running existing Palm apps as compared to Garnet. Other things being equal (hopefully they won't be) I would expect the performance penalty when you put Linux under Cobalt's hood to be increased due to the less efficient context switching that's been discussed elsewhere. Of course, with Cobalt developers have a reasonable opportunity to write native ARM code that they haven't yet had--almost all Palm apps to date currently run as emulated 68k code. Taking advantage of that opportunity could resolve all those performance issues. In short, we really don't know right now what Cobalt or Cobalt-Linux would be like in a real production device. RE: Cobalt is here at last!!
Hmmm.
Garnet = OS 4 + some new APIs BUT rewritten in ARM, with the interface exposed as 68K. Thus, API intensive code is fast. Non-API code is slower because all of the 68k code have to have instruction set translated to ARM. So Garnet/PACE is the efficient way to be backwards compatible. Cobolt = PACE + Cobolt OS framework & UI + purely native Cobolt API (exposed 'natively' this time) + Cobolt Kernal PalmLinux = Cobolt - Cobolt Kernal + Linux Kernal WITH modifications to OS & APIs to accommadate the different threading /memory management model of the linux Kernal. Palm Linux is not a 'messy hack' of Cobolt. The highest level functionality of the OS exists fairly discreet from the Kernal (with the exceptions mentioned for accomadating the different threading/multitasking model). It's not as if Cobolt devices are already out there to complicate the compatibility situation for PalmLinux by forcing them to pull off some sort of crap work around to deal with the new model(the way MS messed up with the no-close-button thing on early the PPC OS and then came up with the pathetic 'smart-minimize' solution so that people never knew if a given app was actually shutting down or just minimizing when you tap the stupid 'X'. God thats dumb). PalmLinux is no more of a mess than MacOS X is. The Mac has proprietarey Mac UI / Framework / APIs on top of a Unix kernal AND with a compatibilty layer for classic Mac stuff. Same deal. Oswin Cobalt FecesFoneThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/13/2006 4:12:02 PM #
I have heard from other developers who bought them that performance wasn't great
Sounds like Beersy's Apologist Hat HAS CUT OFF CIRCULATION TO HIS BRAIN. Don't get fooled by his B.S., hkklife. Cobalt ran like a drunken, crippled PIG on the Oswin smartphone. Of course Beersy will have you believe it was just a minor revision away from rivalling a Pentagon supercomputer...
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I don't think it really matters how poorly Cobalt performed on the Oswin phone, because neither went beyond the conceptual stage. Although, it does make you wonder; if Cobalt already performed like a pig stuck in mud, what's it going to perfom like sitting on Linux's shoulders? My encounters with Linux on mobile devices is mainly constrained to QT and Opie...and both are miserable software environements. Slow..buggy...bloated..with horribly designed GUIs that make old Windows CE (which they are modeled after) look like OSX.
------------------------------- Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com RE: Cobalt is here at last!!PenguinPowered @ 1/13/2006 8:14:51 PM #
Palm Linux is not a 'messy hack' of Cobolt.
Thank you. I haven't laughed so hard in days. PalmLinux is no more of a mess than MacOS X is. Having seen the insides of both, I would have to describe the above sentence as "damning with faint praise." Mach was a conceptual hack job on Accent before DARPA suggested to CMU that "Unix compatibility would be nice", after which it morphed into an actual hack job on BSD. Then it was whacked on my NeXT, and finally, Apple, until it became the gordian knot of spaghetti code that it is today. Knowing that, I can safely say that you are correct, PalmLinux is no more of a mess than that. (Never inquire too closely into the making of sausages or operatig systems.)
Some people need to buy a vowelThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/14/2006 7:09:05 AM #
Hmmm.
Garnet = OS 4 + some new APIs BUT rewritten in ARM, with the interface exposed as 68K. Thus, API intensive code is fast. Non-API code is slower because all of the 68k code have to have instruction set translated to ARM. So Garnet/PACE is the efficient way to be backwards compatible. Cobolt = PACE + Cobolt OS framework & UI + purely native Cobolt API (exposed 'natively' this time) + Cobolt Kernal PalmLinux = Cobolt - Cobolt Kernal + Linux Kernal WITH modifications to OS & APIs to accommadate the different threading /memory management model of the linux Kernal. Palm Linux is not a 'messy hack' of Cobolt. The highest level functionality of the OS exists fairly discreet from the Kernal (with the exceptions mentioned for accomadating the different threading/multitasking model). It's not as if Cobolt devices are already out there to complicate the compatibility situation for PalmLinux by forcing them to pull off some sort of crap work around to deal with the new model(the way MS messed up with the no-close-button thing on early the PPC OS and then came up with the pathetic 'smart-minimize' solution so that people never knew if a given app was actually shutting down or just minimizing when you tap the stupid 'X'. God thats dumb). PalmLinux is no more of a mess than MacOS X is. The Mac has proprietarey Mac UI / Framework / APIs on top of a Unix kernal AND with a compatibilty layer for classic Mac stuff. Same deal. Bubba, you need to get a clue. - Cobalt was already a "messy hack" that would have needed another two YEARS of development (and the accompanying increases in mobile processor speeds expected from the trickle down from Moore's Law) before it could be considered a viable OS for use by consumers. - PalmLinux is by definition a "messy hack" of Cobalt, as PalmSource was attempting to salvage whatever code they could from Cobalt and cobble together a trendier OS ASAP before the roof came down on them. They simply didn't have time to do a clean sheet design of PalmLinux using some fresh (non-PalmSource) engineers experienced in mobile Linux. So what happens when you do a "messy hack" of a "messy hack"? In you world, the "messy hack[s]" cancel each other out, resulting in Perfect Code, right? Well in the Real World, you actually get Massive Problems that have people up late at night trying to come up with fixes before time runs out and nobody gives a damn anymore about the OS (BeOS-style). If PalmSource releases a STABLE, FUNCTIONAL PalmLinux by Summer 2006 like they claimed they would, I will be shocked but would be the first to say they are geniuses. Having seen the Keystone Kops running the show at PalmSource, this just ain't gonna happen. Sorry, Bubba. Maybe PalmLinux will ultimately be used to power eVilla 2 in 2008 instead? - Mac OS X was a huge, brutal, "messy hack". The difference between PalmSource and Apple is that Apple managed to pull it off. But don't look too closely under the hood of Mac OS X - you might just throw up if you saw what a nasty, skanky OS your precious, virginal Mac OS really is. - The word is Cobalt. - You might want to S T F U before you make get sued for making some poor PalmSource codemonkey choke to death on bananas after reading your comments. Take off those rose colored glasses. Welcome to the Real World, Neo.
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>>Knowing that, I can safely say that you are correct, PalmLinux is no more of a mess than that.
I would never ever argue otherwise. I am cynical, I run windows on my desktop - so i expect a mess from any major OS these days (I gave up on perfection when AMiga dies years ago i was forced to get over it and 'settle' for Windows). BUT it is relative. >>But don't look too closely under the hood of Mac OS X - you might just throw up if you saw what a nasty, skanky OS your precious, virginal Mac OS really is. Check your 'precious, virginal' ego. I don't use Mac, don't own one, and don't like the OS one bit (though i have coded for it). Oh know! - spaghetti code in an OS?????? Are you going to defend your 'precious, virginal' Windows OS? Point: Mac is clearly 'good enough' and - relative to where Palm OS 5 is right now - represents a *huge* leap forward. PalmSource would be doing pretty well right now in the eyes of developers if they had already transitioned to such a 'mess' of an OS - seeing as it is much better to write code for (i.e. actually has an API to to write code against the new OS features vs Palm OS 68k API only + ARM hacking). Anyways - thanks for yr reflexive non-insightful criticism, TVOR. As usual, NOTHING is added to the discussion. You are not educating me on anything - I live in the real world where i recognize that such a new OS replacing Garnet with pLinux cannot help but be a big improvement over what we have. Don't know what your expectations are - but it sounds pretty naive. RE: Cobalt is D.O.A. Will PalmLinux show up dead as well?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 1/15/2006 2:51:52 PM #
My point is this: PLinux can only be better than the w-a-y overdue for replacement Garnet OS - a trully hacked beast at this point.
Again you show how naďve you truly are, Bubba. PalmOS 5 is HERE, has been HERE for 4 years, has proven, widely available development tools, has known bugs + known workarounds, has a decent knowledge base, and ARM apps can be used if developers want to make the effort to do so. PalmLinux, on the other hand is just VAPORWARE at this point. Whether or not it can function in the REAL WORLD (as PalmOS 5 has bravely been doing for the past 4 years) remains to be seen. In 2004, when PalmSource started to realize that there was a big possibility that Cobalt was not worth trying to save, they should have had the foresight to devote some resources to cleaning up the PalmOS 5 code as much as was realistically possible, since it would be their only shippig OS for 2 or 3 years if Cobalt was shelved. At this point, the smart money would take a known entity like PalmOS 5 over PalmLinux. If you don't believe me, just ask my old buddy, Martha... I mean Marty Fouts. I don't use Mac, don't own one, and don't like the OS one bit (though i have coded for it). Oh know! - spaghetti code in an OS?????? Are you going to defend your 'precious, virginal' Windows OS? I never said you used MacOS. And it was Marty - not me - who told you that MacOS is a "gordian knot of spaghetti code... today". And no, I have no need to defend Windows, since I made no claims regarding its elegance or lack thereof. Personally, I feel The Commodore Vic 20 and Coleco Adam are the only systems that matter. Windows XP and MacOS X bow before the might of the Vic 20 and the Adam... You are not educating me on anything - I live in the real world where i recognize that such a new OS replacing Garnet with pLinux cannot help but be a big improvement over what we have. Don't know what your expectations are - but it sounds pretty naive. Since I've already edumacated you, I'll leave you to try and figure out the extreme irony of your previous paragraph. Hint: a couple of years ago people were saying "replacing Garnet with Cobalt cannot help but be a big improvement over what we have". I'll ignore your puerile insults, as I truly hope you'll finally LEARN something for a change. TVoR [a.k.a. Gandhi] The Palm eCONomy = Communism™ The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038 NetFrontLinux - the next major cellphone OS?: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=8060#111823
Shadowplan developer Jeff Mitchel rants at POS.
Palm: Things That Annoy the Developers (Like Me)
A comprehensive list of things that annoy me would be enormous as I routinely work around dozens of different Palm OS system bugs every day. But off the top of my head right now, heres what comes to mind .. call it the abridged and shortened summary of the greater litany :) Ben, and my many friends at Palm and PalmSource - Edit, Jan 2006: Remember, I love this platform and work on it every day. I wrote this after working around some really aggravating OS bugs and answering hundreds of support emails about it. Don't be going and thinking I'm anti-Palm OS or anything ;) Note: I could equally flame Microsft Pocket PC, WinCE, etc. I will, Backwards and Forwards Compatibility
In the end, to summarize - it is a chore to develop for Palm OS Palm Competing with Developers So great, we were all happy PalmOne decided to start growing their PIMs. Remember, when a tire won't fit on your car, you don't blame GM.. you What they did was introduce new databases, undocumented; when developers They finally did release some documentation, years late. I don't The real tragedy is the lack of learning - this wasn't the first nor Development Tools - or Lack There-Of
With Palm OS 5 and earlier, the official development suite was always So in the Palm OS world, developers have been cobbling things together .. OKay, theres some other tools so lets flame them too - Java is a popular The reverse is also true; MS wants everyone to move to C#, but of course If you want some cross platform code to work, your best bet is C/C++, One other sub-annoyance; people all want java and C# and python these days The OS 6 Fiasco This is much publicized so I needn't go into it much, but in summary - Mac OS Mobile developers aren't big companies with enormous budgets to burn, so Globals, 68k/ARM, and Other 1970s Problems Again, being spoiled by the wonderful development environments of the The problem is when you wish to actually write ARM code, to get some At least I did my part.. I got XCade out pretty fast (one of the first Another thing that annoys me is the whole launch code and globals OS Behind the Times We all like compatibility (see all that ranting above?), but we're also It seems alien again to be in 2005 with simple bleep-bleep alarms in Missing APIs
Licensee Madness This is mostly old news, but it drove us all mental over the years. Sony pioneered high-resolution because PalmSource couldn't get something Course, Sony was evil for refusing to document how their joystick They also refused to document the sound system; as usual, developers I'll try not to go on, but the problem was PalmSource's lack in taking Really, its amazing anyone developed for the platform at all when At least Tapwave got most of it right.. a shame they tanked :/ Installations A standard installer process would have been nice; heck, thinking ahead Quality Assurance Last but not least is just the lack of QA here; how does it slip through Whew! When I began this opus I had not intended to write all this out .. I Now that I'm all healed, you're suffering. Merry Christmas! :) They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong... Developer rants at PalmOS - where to go next?
URL for the above. http://www.livejournal.com/users/skeezixcodejedi/
Also Full article is here: A number of developers I know have been asking the same questions that weigh heavily on my mind - we all watch the tides a' turning and in our markets and domains we have to keep at the front or get left behind, flotsam of the mobile digital age. Of course, being in the front - cresting the wave as it were - is a great risk yet also provides many advantages. When it comes right down to it, being in front is where the fun is, is where the adventure of it all is.. until the dragon catches up.
RE: Developer rants at PalmOSFoo Fighter @ 1/11/2006 4:01:27 PM #
What makes this story even more interesting is that PalmSource features this guy in one of their "Developer Success Story" articles. Apparently this success story isn't having a happy ending.
------------------------------- Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com RE: Developer rants at PalmOS
Superb piece. Nice find, Surur!
As a mere user with NO aspirations or skillz to be a developer/coder, I can still sympathize with the guy as a LOT of the headaches he alludes to (the miserable transition from T|T style 1-handed navigation to Treo/Handspring style) are felt/burdeoned mere users such as myself. It just sickens me to see the sorry state of the POS software market. You have a handful of legacy apps not updated since '02 or '03 (ie for the T|T) then others that run acceptably well on T5/TX but poorly on all older models. Right now the handheld industry suffers from the worst backwards compatability of any major platform that claims compatability. Ie: You can, with enough effort, get most older DOS or Win 3.1 titles to run reasonably well under XP if you REALLY need it. A GameBoy Advance can still run classic GameBoy titles from 1989. A new PS2 slimline can run PS1 titles from 1995. Only the Palm & Mac platforms seem so impossibly broken--and at least Apple had the good sense to throw out legacy compatability in the name of the future/speed/stability under OS X. Palm's just drifting in circles and losing pieces of the ship everytime a wave hits it.
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